Monday, November 17, 2008
Meeting Point Competition Entries
Following are three interpretation of a program that were developed through conversations between three designers located at three different co-ordinates http://revo-eciov.blogspot.com/ . The program for a 'meeting point' was to impose a call-out artifact in a city that sparks conversations between bystanders to propagate the urban culture.
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Bullhorn [1] 2 3
Author Animish Kudalkar
The program is interpreted as a sound box intervention above a redundant parking lot located in Belltown, Seattle. The elevated space has a a series of analog bullhorn-like devices as a facade that amplify sound towards the street. Hence it is seen as a platform to call out for attention through music, speech and even accidental vocal expressions. Belltown has a quiet nature during the day that regenerates with the nightlife at late hours. The sound box intervention gives promotional space to local vending businesses during the more commercial hours and a platform for local bands during the late hours.
Bullhorn 1 [2] 3
Author Nathan [Wayne] Van Zuidam
This interpretation of the strategy imposes a grid of bullhorns onto the existing city wherein additions happen on the sidewalk, the rooftop, the middle of a restaurant, etc. encouraging both spontaneous and premeditated meeting 'points' throughout the map. Log on to see where you going street riding tonight or feel free to make your voice heard at random. People are bound to meet directly and indirectly as a result of these conversation starting interventions.
Bullhorn 1 2 [3]
Author Steve Vebber
Bullhorn 1 [2] 3
The Forest Park portion of the CTA Blue Line lies between the Eastbound and Westbound halves of I-920, with boarding platforms open to the sights, smells and especially sounds of the intense daily. The cars pollute the air with the sound waves from their car horns while the mechanically generated communication of the drivers. By simply supplying each station along this CTA route with bullhorns, an architecture of communication, anti-communication, anger, frustration, happiness and freedom of speech is created, giving humans the power to cross the dreaded third rail, via their voices.
Sunday, September 28, 2008
Friday, September 26, 2008
gniroB
What a boring brief.
I cannot imagine even bothering a second look at this competition if we didn't have this dialogue going.
I cannot imagine even bothering a second look at this competition if we didn't have this dialogue going.
Thursday, September 25, 2008
split
... adding to your ideas i think we should try make three proposals that have emerged from a same sense of views. We have to follow the 'one person' effort for the LOS competition. Maybe the third is just a projection of this blog (as a meeting point between us) into a redefined architectural practice of keeping progressive. But again as steve said they have to relate to eachother. If you see this from the winning side if atleast one of the two 'design' entries win, the third entry(which would be a doc of our actual meeting point) has to win. Because winning design entry justifies that the third idea works. so its either three, two or none!
KCABDEEF
I really like it too. I see a direct evolution from the Cows to the Red Ball to the Bullhorns.
The cows just sat there looking stupid, somehow attracting tourists, while being an obviously transparent attempt to sell "Chicago". The Red Ball is just as playful, but encourages interaction, appears more intrusive, and sadly, by the time it hit Chicago was being sponsored by Target in a transparent attempt to sell things.
(for the record, I think the green shirt people have sparked good thoughts, so I don't regret choosing that image, but the people in green shirts actually don't have anything to do with the Red Ball project. There are plenty of greenshirtless (most in fact) people that experience the ball daily in its various locations.)
And the bullhorns, are again a playful insertion into the city, but a bullhorn grid would provoke interaction instead of teasing it out of people.
Here's how I see it.
1:Kid sees bullhorn grid.
2:Kid asks mom if he can say something into one.
3:Mom says, "no, I'm not sure if anyone is allowed to, it's just art"
4:Kid says please
5:mom looks around, and thinks, "well maybe that's what its for", says "okay, but be quick".
6:Kid says, "HELLO" into bullhorn, sound is amplified, laughs.
7:mom laughs.
8:some drunk high school kid walking back from blues fest leans over behind another of the bullhorns and says "VAGINA". Laughs, looks at his laughing friends and says "FUCK THIS". Thinks he is hilarious.
9:Mom goes over and scolds high school kids, saying "that is not what this is for".
10:Bystander, thinks mom is absolutely wrong, but doesn't want to say anything.
11: another bystander sees the bullhorns leans behind one of them and says, "THAT"S EXACLTY WHAT THESE THINGS ARE FOR........DAMN HELL FART"
12:Mom grabs her son, and walks away in some mixture of rage and embarrasment. Learns valuable lesson.
13:Designers of the bullhorn grid look on at the feedback loop of communication they have created.
The cows just sat there looking stupid, somehow attracting tourists, while being an obviously transparent attempt to sell "Chicago". The Red Ball is just as playful, but encourages interaction, appears more intrusive, and sadly, by the time it hit Chicago was being sponsored by Target in a transparent attempt to sell things.
(for the record, I think the green shirt people have sparked good thoughts, so I don't regret choosing that image, but the people in green shirts actually don't have anything to do with the Red Ball project. There are plenty of greenshirtless (most in fact) people that experience the ball daily in its various locations.)
And the bullhorns, are again a playful insertion into the city, but a bullhorn grid would provoke interaction instead of teasing it out of people.
Here's how I see it.
1:Kid sees bullhorn grid.
2:Kid asks mom if he can say something into one.
3:Mom says, "no, I'm not sure if anyone is allowed to, it's just art"
4:Kid says please
5:mom looks around, and thinks, "well maybe that's what its for", says "okay, but be quick".
6:Kid says, "HELLO" into bullhorn, sound is amplified, laughs.
7:mom laughs.
8:some drunk high school kid walking back from blues fest leans over behind another of the bullhorns and says "VAGINA". Laughs, looks at his laughing friends and says "FUCK THIS". Thinks he is hilarious.
9:Mom goes over and scolds high school kids, saying "that is not what this is for".
10:Bystander, thinks mom is absolutely wrong, but doesn't want to say anything.
11: another bystander sees the bullhorns leans behind one of them and says, "THAT"S EXACLTY WHAT THESE THINGS ARE FOR........DAMN HELL FART"
12:Mom grabs her son, and walks away in some mixture of rage and embarrasment. Learns valuable lesson.
13:Designers of the bullhorn grid look on at the feedback loop of communication they have created.
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
:eltiT
The last comments immediately forced me to think of this competition not as a meeting place in the sense that it is a noun, but rather to be thought of as a verb, which is in fact the bush we have been beating about all along. aaah, the interpretational openness of linguistics. Anyhow, in relation to wiping ourselves clean of the green tshirt we could use simple location of an artifact superimposed on the city (similar to redball) except it doesn't move. or maybe it does. for example - a grid of bullhorns(red) scattered about the city (anchored or mobile). here, we still have the stencil in the artifact (bullhorn 1, 2, 3, etc.) and have given the means to meet. you know someone is gonna shout something completely inappropriate into one of these things sparking conversation between bystanders, this leads to chit chat you know no big deal, which leads to a second date (meeting place), which leads to pregnacy, which leads to marriage. we've made a difference. i cannot see any advantages of a mobile meeting space at the moment except confusion to those of whom you do not want to meet - which opens up another can of worms to consider. the selective editing of the who in meeting - on line dating? a bullhorn that only talks to those that share things in common with you. i started to ramble and now i can't remember where i was going with this. someone pick me up or refute right about... now
scale
That was a good example. Loved that red ball project. But its only for the people wearing green t-shirts. we are just spectators watching a circus.
You are right, it is not easy to create A spontaneous meeting point atleast in a short duration of its implementation. But try to consider this example of a small habitat. the pattern is so limited that you end up meeting people you know or meet new people at places like the postoffice, newpaper stands, tea stalls etc. if you blow up the scale to a city, the cultures are diverse and the same meeting places spread out or become fragmented and commercial. Its a challenge to recreate and age an intervention to such a spread out scale. religion, race, class become motives to gather and show support against force. The motive is not interaction. Interaction is a possible outcome.
It would be ideal to make a space where we whipe out the colors on us and amplify/engage voices between just two users. Like Olafur Eliassons installation in MOMA 'room for one color' One sees everything in shades of yellow and black.
You are right, it is not easy to create A spontaneous meeting point atleast in a short duration of its implementation. But try to consider this example of a small habitat. the pattern is so limited that you end up meeting people you know or meet new people at places like the postoffice, newpaper stands, tea stalls etc. if you blow up the scale to a city, the cultures are diverse and the same meeting places spread out or become fragmented and commercial. Its a challenge to recreate and age an intervention to such a spread out scale. religion, race, class become motives to gather and show support against force. The motive is not interaction. Interaction is a possible outcome.
It would be ideal to make a space where we whipe out the colors on us and amplify/engage voices between just two users. Like Olafur Eliassons installation in MOMA 'room for one color' One sees everything in shades of yellow and black.
umbrella
Sorry for the influx of posts, but as you know, I have no job, no life and I'm bored. But I will now respond to Where is that Bitch?
Yes, I agree, no technology. I imagine our proposal to look something the umbrella in this commercial for Travelers Insurance. Something incredibly far-fetched, but not because the technology behind it is far-fetched, but because it is ultimately a bit ridiculous. (Like the Red Ball Project)
Yes, I agree, no technology. I imagine our proposal to look something the umbrella in this commercial for Travelers Insurance. Something incredibly far-fetched, but not because the technology behind it is far-fetched, but because it is ultimately a bit ridiculous. (Like the Red Ball Project)
Red Ball Project
http://redballproject.com/chicago/index.php?cat=3
Saw this last night on Chicago Tonight. Almost a guerrilla art thing, but sanctioned by the city and now sponsored by Target.
Somewhat applicable.
Discuss.
impossible?
This article points to something I have been wondering for a while in respect to this project. Is it really even possible to create a spontaneous "meeting point" without it having to do with the oppressed, the homeless, the poor, the outsider-artists etc.? I don't think it is a coincidence that the imagery I chose to illustrate the type of "meeting place" includes a largely "urban" demographic (referring to the word's popular usage of "outside the cloistered world of architecture"). Also, the logo, which was a remnant of earlier talk of a metaphorical/literal stencil, has a semiotic connection to this "urban" spatial culture, in it's faux-spray paint appearance and the idea of "tagging" (which nate mentioned in an earlier post).
I think it is a challenge to come up with a way to facilitate this kind of spontaneous congregation without lessening it's potential impact. The reason that Parisian situation worked so well was that those people were not legally supposed to be on that land. The moment you set up a space for people to "meet spontaneously" or even set up some type of civic framework to allow more "spontaneous congregation" some of the spontaneity and impact is lost.
The Beatles played on a London recording studio rooftop in 1969, first conceiving the idea only four days earlier, and resulted in traffic being stopped for blocks and the police to come in and shut them down. When the Today show has a concert in the streets in front of their studios, it doesn't have quite the same impact. When the police are protecting you instead of shutting you down, the cultural impact of your actions are dampened quite a bit.
I think it is a challenge to come up with a way to facilitate this kind of spontaneous congregation without lessening it's potential impact. The reason that Parisian situation worked so well was that those people were not legally supposed to be on that land. The moment you set up a space for people to "meet spontaneously" or even set up some type of civic framework to allow more "spontaneous congregation" some of the spontaneity and impact is lost.
The Beatles played on a London recording studio rooftop in 1969, first conceiving the idea only four days earlier, and resulted in traffic being stopped for blocks and the police to come in and shut them down. When the Today show has a concert in the streets in front of their studios, it doesn't have quite the same impact. When the police are protecting you instead of shutting you down, the cultural impact of your actions are dampened quite a bit.
Monday, September 22, 2008
ब्लैक उर्बनिस्म
I dragged this extract from an article on Archinect because I think this is relevant to our meeting point
Paul Goodwin responds to Heather Ring's question "Does black urbanism emerge from a place of struggle or resistance? Is it linked to a socio-economic situation, or could black urbanism come from a high rent neighborhood?"
Paul: I think historically it has emerged from a place of political struggle, but it has also been appropriated by suburbia. This came home to me recently at a seminar on Black Urbanism we hosted at the ICA. There I described the idea of the "black urban presence" and its relationship to political struggle.
In 1989, I was in Paris and was studying West African immigrants and their role in the housing protest movements. At the centre of those movements were immigrants from Senegal who became politicized through a number of brutal expulsions from gentrified housing in the Eastern part of Paris. In the 20th arrondissement, in the poorer northern poorer part of the city, the expelled families spontaneously congregated in a square and were joined by a number of political squatting groups and created an urban village. They set up tents and refused to move from that village for three or four months. It became a big national media event. They cooked out there, the children played games and it was life in the open air. It was a galvanizing moment and a number of other movements started on the back of these protests, including the Droit Au Logement (DAL) a national homeless movement which is now international.
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Open for reinterpretation
Paul Goodwin responds to Heather Ring's question "Does black urbanism emerge from a place of struggle or resistance? Is it linked to a socio-economic situation, or could black urbanism come from a high rent neighborhood?"
Paul: I think historically it has emerged from a place of political struggle, but it has also been appropriated by suburbia. This came home to me recently at a seminar on Black Urbanism we hosted at the ICA. There I described the idea of the "black urban presence" and its relationship to political struggle.
In 1989, I was in Paris and was studying West African immigrants and their role in the housing protest movements. At the centre of those movements were immigrants from Senegal who became politicized through a number of brutal expulsions from gentrified housing in the Eastern part of Paris. In the 20th arrondissement, in the poorer northern poorer part of the city, the expelled families spontaneously congregated in a square and were joined by a number of political squatting groups and created an urban village. They set up tents and refused to move from that village for three or four months. It became a big national media event. They cooked out there, the children played games and it was life in the open air. It was a galvanizing moment and a number of other movements started on the back of these protests, including the Droit Au Logement (DAL) a national homeless movement which is now international.
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Open for reinterpretation
Friday, September 19, 2008
Where is that bitch?
excellent. both theories work. I was wondering if there was a way to negate the use of gadgets in both these theories. there is no reason why we should do this. but we are getting used to treating technology as our slander bitch in our proposals.
it might lead to some funny solutions, like for the forced congregation it could be a series of bat-calls in sky. and for the forced separation it could be web/matrix of long horns. the complexity itself becomes an ornament. but again. we dont have to. its always good to think about the 'what if's.
i like where this proposal is going. there are no drawings.
it might lead to some funny solutions, like for the forced congregation it could be a series of bat-calls in sky. and for the forced separation it could be web/matrix of long horns. the complexity itself becomes an ornament. but again. we dont have to. its always good to think about the 'what if's.
i like where this proposal is going. there are no drawings.
Thursday, September 18, 2008
VS. (correction)
(getting too complicated) was supposed to have a question mark after it.
Nate needs to get his ass on this blog.
Nate needs to get his ass on this blog.
VS.
So we send in two entries, formatted/titled similarly so it becomes obvious that they are two sides of the same idea.
"Forced Separation" vs. "Forced Congregation"
separation done through a predefined space with a field of sound-proof isolation booths that have audio connections to a random and constantly changing (getting too complicated) selection of the other booths.
congregation done by not building/predefining space at all, instead developing type of swarming system like the one in that article.
"Forced Separation" vs. "Forced Congregation"
separation done through a predefined space with a field of sound-proof isolation booths that have audio connections to a random and constantly changing (getting too complicated) selection of the other booths.
congregation done by not building/predefining space at all, instead developing type of swarming system like the one in that article.
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
RE: Concept Visualization
steve, i like the sporadic assembly of a diverse crowd. space in this case becomes an outcome unlike in a conventional meeting point where space is already there. and thus, space [there by architecture] becomes momentary. have you heard of 'swarming'? it is distribution of a message to a mass group that engage spontaneous interactions. Heres a good article http://www.kolabora.com/news/2006/03/21/sms_text_messaging_social.htm
Tuesday, September 16, 2008
RE: both
I like this contradiction to the conventional public space of seperation rather than congregation.
100 seats in a 10000sqft square or 1000 seats in 1000000cuft of a lattice. each seat has a transparent domelike voice harvester / emitter device at the top. so there is a forced 10' physical divide between each occupant. the seat is meant to rest but you can speak to the closest eight occupants surrounding; noting that each dome can emit eight voices. in case of connecting interests the occupants get out of the chatter dome into the division space to meet. if the occupant is not a social person and just needs to rest he can stop communicating or just shout "quiet". no one will know where it came from.
so the seperation does bring people closer.
100 seats in a 10000sqft square or 1000 seats in 1000000cuft of a lattice. each seat has a transparent domelike voice harvester / emitter device at the top. so there is a forced 10' physical divide between each occupant. the seat is meant to rest but you can speak to the closest eight occupants surrounding; noting that each dome can emit eight voices. in case of connecting interests the occupants get out of the chatter dome into the division space to meet. if the occupant is not a social person and just needs to rest he can stop communicating or just shout "quiet". no one will know where it came from.
so the seperation does bring people closer.
both
Just saw nate's last email about chairs 10ft apart, etc. I think that could lead to something pretty interesting. We could have two opposing submissions, one that forces bodily meeting/connection, and the other hindering it.
I wonder if, in their use of it, people would rebel against an environment hindering physical connection/meeting. Ultimately having the effect of bring people together.
Can there be architectural reverse psychology?
I wonder if, in their use of it, people would rebel against an environment hindering physical connection/meeting. Ultimately having the effect of bring people together.
Can there be architectural reverse psychology?
concept visualization
I found this picture online and it seemed like the type of atmosphere I was thinking we want to facilitate with this project, and put it together with some quick words. The literal stencil was just something that wouldn't leave my head, and I guess the question is what is it's architectural replacement.
I also bullshitted a quick CTA website.
Re: Assemblage
holy shit i didnt read all the previous emails, but only the very last one in the string. i am about 4 steps behind i think.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM, nathan van zuidam <flominate@gmail.com> wrote:
i think we should design for these psycho repulsive bodies where seats are 10 feet apart and so forth. it would be interesting to see where this takes us rather that design a 'for'ced bodily meeting.
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Animish Kudalkar <akudalkar@lmnarchitects.com> wrote:
just a tangent; another way to look at 'fat people' is addition of a psycho-repulsive mass gained by disengaged physical contact caused by communication devices. aka our personal bubbles will grow in the future. unlike our forefathers who would be afraid to touch digital screens our future generation will be timid about shaking hands.
I like the term 'fat people'. works for both industrial/intellectual labor. so then we are trying to make an intervention that burns off this psycho-repulsive mass by forcing [non/accidental] meeting between bodies. i like the idea of not inventing a building type but still have stencil of codifed pattern that becomes an infill within these existing meeting points like steve said (busstops, churches etc). a very common infill like glass. the pattern/stencil can be color. similiar to the portuguese city planning where they have colors for different building uses, in this case the infill reacts to your interests.
its about time we make use of the line of site blog to document all our responses. should be a good background as to why we came to one/three A4 solutions. Also, what if we state the 'fat people' condition and produce three seperate outcomes wall, ceiling and roof, irrespective of their gravitaional or technological orientation. ?
Animish D KudalkarLMNARCHITECTS ph.206.695.5644 801 Second Ave, Suite 501, Seattle, WA 98104.
From: nathan van zuidam [mailto:flominate@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:13 AMTo: Steve VebberCc: Animish D KudalkarSubject: Re: tba
good idea. now the submission is a punk rock flyer. i like it. im still down with 3 entries maybe more or maybe less. essentially im down with you guys are.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Steve Vebber <vebber@gmail.com> wrote:
I love the building for the postmodern body idea. That has to be done. But I agree, could probably put to better use in something else.I think the stencil idea is an interesting critique of the idea of a meeting place, but the people judging could argue that it isn't "architectural". What if our meeting place was a bus/subway/el stop. That way, we aren't precribing some brand new building/destination for people to go to socialize and disseminate ideas. Instead if you have some upstart organization, you don't bother booking a venue to have your first meeting, you just put on your flyer, "First meeting of the Architerrorist Coalition, december 13th, 1:00pm, Fullerton El stop". It eliminates travel and parking problems, encourages people to participate that had no intention of going to any sort of meeting, advertising potential. Every stop would have potential to become a meeting venue. The smaller stops on the smaller bus/train lines would be able to handle smaller groups, and if more people show up than expected, you just load everyone onto the bus and go to the bigger transfer stop 3 stops down the line. I have to go to the store, but I'll think about this some more. Let me know what you think.Steve
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 4:54 PM, nathan van zuidam <flominate@gmail.com> wrote:
steve i sent these two ideas to animish and forgot to copy you...what if we give them floating walls, underneatha floating roofing. almost like an outdoor pavilion type deal. ultimate space. space that doesnt deny the fact that space has existed and will exist before and after weve established this place as a meeting point. and maybe the walls are glass too as sort of an ironical guestureor maybe within these walls re relate the space to the new age of the modern body. fat people. rather than the slimming of the postmodern body to keep up with industrialized labor we make this a fat space where the body now is slower, fatter, and sweatier (with exception of typing hands and mouse clicking). maybe this is a new project but its a provocative idea...so now that i got up to date on your guys thoughts. maybe each meeting point is 4 floating planes of %100 reflective glass (or mirrors) where it reflects exactly what is perpendicular to the eye. it almost becomes invisible, but not quite. i like the fat people one for a different project. or if we go the antitech route - we can simply make a cut out stencil MEETING PLACE - then tag some places around the city. or some sort of other codified meeting place strategy. maybe it needs to target only those who would understand the stencil.holy shit_having code names within the tba frameset is fucking brilliant. or maybe we take it a step further and keep our code names but enter each competition under a different name/affiliation. the ultimate dissemination of ideas without vain attempts at performing solely for recognition.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Animish D Kudalkar <animishkudalkar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Well, words co-lab or TBA have no sense. It was just the point where one of our drunken conversations ended. It still points towards a vagabond cult of architerrorists. Just like any bearded fellow has a hard time airport check posts, we expect a hard time getting into architecture conventions.
Geniuses. Yeah it will be good to project a condition before deathneed for a massive change, when the economy starts to disregard us. conventional congregation places like coffee shops, churches, parks are only available for heavy bucks or get dominated by bank robbers and criminals or corruptors . So if I get steves point correctly [and considering that technology becomes corrupt too] the pattern of meeting space shifts from enclosures to shady walls/trees/curbs around fancy bucked places. Its not a point a pattern of anti-ism that common people respond to. Signs like 'no loitering' 'no parking' becomes place meet your girlfriend or trade your PS38.5 to someone you found on craigslist [craigslist is the only thing that will die with technology]. Funny thing is that you wont find crackheads in these places because they will be living of crumbs off the richies and gangstas in the coffeeshops.
That being said I like nates idea of presenting an A4 with [madeup or existing] signs. Strangely unlike our previous works this becomes very anti-technology; an 'i-phone goes bad' situation. [ps; Iphone 3g rules ]
From: Steve Vebber [mailto:vebber@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:16 PMTo: nathan van zuidamCc: animishkudalkar@yahoo.co.inSubject: Re: tba
also, i feel out of the loop or just have a bad memory, what does the co-lab part of the name mean
i obviously know what tba is
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Steve Vebber <vebber@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I think that is probably a good one to do.I really don't know if I buy the whole "There can be no more important building serving a community than its 'meeting point'," thing. In this day and age, do we really need a meeting "point". Why is there only one fixed location for socializing, integrating, exchanging ideas, discussing issues and, above all, relaxing in the company of others? That may work for a church, a country club or the United States congress but I would argue that disassociating these activities from one spot and allowing them, encouraging them rather, to happen anywhere/everywhere without the need for a designated "meeting point" building, would facilitate more socially responsible results, more diverse ideas but less ideological extremism. It makes me think of going to church. The priest would always say, the "church" is not the walls, the roof and the pews; instead it is the people. Well, if the building itself is unimportant, why do you have it? To exclude? To boast?So yeah, I agree with Animish. We have an output that essentially critiques the whole idea of the "meeting point", at the same time, the existence of the output itself shows the "meeting point" to be an unnecessary idea in the first place.Nate is right. We do a ton of these, even if we do some individually, then they get put under the umbrella of co-lab_TBA, and before we even have a practice we have a monograph ready to be published.Also, I think we should have co-lab_TBA names. Like rappers or the Traveling Wilburys we all pick names that we are referred to within the confines of TBA, then we have the names printed on the backs of black basketball jerseys and they become our uniforms.Over and out,mr. [n]ice-guy -- Stephen A. Vebber Graduate Student, Master's of Architecture University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign ::stephenvebber_work::::630.388.9374::
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:08 AM, nathan van zuidam <flominate@gmail.com> wrote:
yo. i will get at my emails as much as i can. right now im at the coffee shop where i use their internet and bathroom (my toilet doesnt work) and i dont have hot water, god my place sucks. i take it we are doing the meeting point one. im down. we should almost just give them an a4 with only people on it. labeled - destination_ meeting point. as sort of some weird celebration of the particle accelerator phenomenom that is going on. supposedly the end of the world is coming... again. at the same time as wanting a signage for destination, they really want is not an architecture , but an antiarchitecture. so maybe we just give them is some inhabitable signage. lets do as many of these things as we can. then lets compile our own wierd little archigramish side job booklet as sort of the precursor to co-lab tba.
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-- Stephen A. Vebber Graduate Student, Master's of Architecture University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign ::stephenvebber_work::::630.388.9374::
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM, nathan van zuidam <flominate@gmail.com> wrote:
i think we should design for these psycho repulsive bodies where seats are 10 feet apart and so forth. it would be interesting to see where this takes us rather that design a 'for'ced bodily meeting.
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Animish Kudalkar <akudalkar@lmnarchitects.com> wrote:
just a tangent; another way to look at 'fat people' is addition of a psycho-repulsive mass gained by disengaged physical contact caused by communication devices. aka our personal bubbles will grow in the future. unlike our forefathers who would be afraid to touch digital screens our future generation will be timid about shaking hands.
I like the term 'fat people'. works for both industrial/intellectual labor. so then we are trying to make an intervention that burns off this psycho-repulsive mass by forcing [non/accidental] meeting between bodies. i like the idea of not inventing a building type but still have stencil of codifed pattern that becomes an infill within these existing meeting points like steve said (busstops, churches etc). a very common infill like glass. the pattern/stencil can be color. similiar to the portuguese city planning where they have colors for different building uses, in this case the infill reacts to your interests.
its about time we make use of the line of site blog to document all our responses. should be a good background as to why we came to one/three A4 solutions. Also, what if we state the 'fat people' condition and produce three seperate outcomes wall, ceiling and roof, irrespective of their gravitaional or technological orientation. ?
Animish D KudalkarLMNARCHITECTS ph.206.695.5644 801 Second Ave, Suite 501, Seattle, WA 98104.
From: nathan van zuidam [mailto:flominate@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:13 AMTo: Steve VebberCc: Animish D KudalkarSubject: Re: tba
good idea. now the submission is a punk rock flyer. i like it. im still down with 3 entries maybe more or maybe less. essentially im down with you guys are.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Steve Vebber <vebber@gmail.com> wrote:
I love the building for the postmodern body idea. That has to be done. But I agree, could probably put to better use in something else.I think the stencil idea is an interesting critique of the idea of a meeting place, but the people judging could argue that it isn't "architectural". What if our meeting place was a bus/subway/el stop. That way, we aren't precribing some brand new building/destination for people to go to socialize and disseminate ideas. Instead if you have some upstart organization, you don't bother booking a venue to have your first meeting, you just put on your flyer, "First meeting of the Architerrorist Coalition, december 13th, 1:00pm, Fullerton El stop". It eliminates travel and parking problems, encourages people to participate that had no intention of going to any sort of meeting, advertising potential. Every stop would have potential to become a meeting venue. The smaller stops on the smaller bus/train lines would be able to handle smaller groups, and if more people show up than expected, you just load everyone onto the bus and go to the bigger transfer stop 3 stops down the line. I have to go to the store, but I'll think about this some more. Let me know what you think.Steve
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 4:54 PM, nathan van zuidam <flominate@gmail.com> wrote:
steve i sent these two ideas to animish and forgot to copy you...what if we give them floating walls, underneatha floating roofing. almost like an outdoor pavilion type deal. ultimate space. space that doesnt deny the fact that space has existed and will exist before and after weve established this place as a meeting point. and maybe the walls are glass too as sort of an ironical guestureor maybe within these walls re relate the space to the new age of the modern body. fat people. rather than the slimming of the postmodern body to keep up with industrialized labor we make this a fat space where the body now is slower, fatter, and sweatier (with exception of typing hands and mouse clicking). maybe this is a new project but its a provocative idea...so now that i got up to date on your guys thoughts. maybe each meeting point is 4 floating planes of %100 reflective glass (or mirrors) where it reflects exactly what is perpendicular to the eye. it almost becomes invisible, but not quite. i like the fat people one for a different project. or if we go the antitech route - we can simply make a cut out stencil MEETING PLACE - then tag some places around the city. or some sort of other codified meeting place strategy. maybe it needs to target only those who would understand the stencil.holy shit_having code names within the tba frameset is fucking brilliant. or maybe we take it a step further and keep our code names but enter each competition under a different name/affiliation. the ultimate dissemination of ideas without vain attempts at performing solely for recognition.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Animish D Kudalkar <animishkudalkar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Well, words co-lab or TBA have no sense. It was just the point where one of our drunken conversations ended. It still points towards a vagabond cult of architerrorists. Just like any bearded fellow has a hard time airport check posts, we expect a hard time getting into architecture conventions.
Geniuses. Yeah it will be good to project a condition before deathneed for a massive change, when the economy starts to disregard us. conventional congregation places like coffee shops, churches, parks are only available for heavy bucks or get dominated by bank robbers and criminals or corruptors . So if I get steves point correctly [and considering that technology becomes corrupt too] the pattern of meeting space shifts from enclosures to shady walls/trees/curbs around fancy bucked places. Its not a point a pattern of anti-ism that common people respond to. Signs like 'no loitering' 'no parking' becomes place meet your girlfriend or trade your PS38.5 to someone you found on craigslist [craigslist is the only thing that will die with technology]. Funny thing is that you wont find crackheads in these places because they will be living of crumbs off the richies and gangstas in the coffeeshops.
That being said I like nates idea of presenting an A4 with [madeup or existing] signs. Strangely unlike our previous works this becomes very anti-technology; an 'i-phone goes bad' situation. [ps; Iphone 3g rules ]
From: Steve Vebber [mailto:vebber@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:16 PMTo: nathan van zuidamCc: animishkudalkar@yahoo.co.inSubject: Re: tba
also, i feel out of the loop or just have a bad memory, what does the co-lab part of the name mean
i obviously know what tba is
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Steve Vebber <vebber@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I think that is probably a good one to do.I really don't know if I buy the whole "There can be no more important building serving a community than its 'meeting point'," thing. In this day and age, do we really need a meeting "point". Why is there only one fixed location for socializing, integrating, exchanging ideas, discussing issues and, above all, relaxing in the company of others? That may work for a church, a country club or the United States congress but I would argue that disassociating these activities from one spot and allowing them, encouraging them rather, to happen anywhere/everywhere without the need for a designated "meeting point" building, would facilitate more socially responsible results, more diverse ideas but less ideological extremism. It makes me think of going to church. The priest would always say, the "church" is not the walls, the roof and the pews; instead it is the people. Well, if the building itself is unimportant, why do you have it? To exclude? To boast?So yeah, I agree with Animish. We have an output that essentially critiques the whole idea of the "meeting point", at the same time, the existence of the output itself shows the "meeting point" to be an unnecessary idea in the first place.Nate is right. We do a ton of these, even if we do some individually, then they get put under the umbrella of co-lab_TBA, and before we even have a practice we have a monograph ready to be published.Also, I think we should have co-lab_TBA names. Like rappers or the Traveling Wilburys we all pick names that we are referred to within the confines of TBA, then we have the names printed on the backs of black basketball jerseys and they become our uniforms.Over and out,mr. [n]ice-guy -- Stephen A. Vebber Graduate Student, Master's of Architecture University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign ::stephenvebber_work::::630.388.9374::
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:08 AM, nathan van zuidam <flominate@gmail.com> wrote:
yo. i will get at my emails as much as i can. right now im at the coffee shop where i use their internet and bathroom (my toilet doesnt work) and i dont have hot water, god my place sucks. i take it we are doing the meeting point one. im down. we should almost just give them an a4 with only people on it. labeled - destination_ meeting point. as sort of some weird celebration of the particle accelerator phenomenom that is going on. supposedly the end of the world is coming... again. at the same time as wanting a signage for destination, they really want is not an architecture , but an antiarchitecture. so maybe we just give them is some inhabitable signage. lets do as many of these things as we can. then lets compile our own wierd little archigramish side job booklet as sort of the precursor to co-lab tba.
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-- Stephen A. Vebber Graduate Student, Master's of Architecture University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign ::stephenvebber_work::::630.388.9374::
assemblage
From: Animish Kudalkar Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:34 PMTo: 'vebber@gmail.com'; 'znvan@illinois.edu'Subject: assemblage
so its about time we try to put our minds in how to get out of 'the practice' without getting out of the practice that unfortunately funds for that much needed frothy moustache every night and our redneck zombie glasses.
lets try to get co-lab [TBA] back. i came across a competition http://www.lineofsite.info/brief_overview.php [brief3] which should be a good way to storm and stir a network strategy. its about a meeting point.
if we can find a way to build an output [a project, lets say in india] from three different geographic locations [seattle, omaha, chicago] without meeting at a point then the strategy itself becomes an entry for this competition as well as a start to the future ideo. but these are just words that i put together in my office hours.
so take a look at the brief because it has the most effortless requirements. just an A4!
Animish D Kudalkar
so its about time we try to put our minds in how to get out of 'the practice' without getting out of the practice that unfortunately funds for that much needed frothy moustache every night and our redneck zombie glasses.
lets try to get co-lab [TBA] back. i came across a competition http://www.lineofsite.info/brief_overview.php [brief3] which should be a good way to storm and stir a network strategy. its about a meeting point.
if we can find a way to build an output [a project, lets say in india] from three different geographic locations [seattle, omaha, chicago] without meeting at a point then the strategy itself becomes an entry for this competition as well as a start to the future ideo. but these are just words that i put together in my office hours.
so take a look at the brief because it has the most effortless requirements. just an A4!
Animish D Kudalkar
Monday, September 15, 2008
arcade fire on austin city limits
just saw arcade fire on austin city limits. my god. i've never been more inspired to produce something badass in my life.
check your local listings, because the dynamic they have onstage needs to be a model for the co-lab, and you need to see it. about 10 people on stage, switching instruments all the time, and when they don't have something to play they are going crazy banging on single drums, motorcycle helmets, other band members backs, etc. it's like chaos, everyone in their own world, but while remaining completely controlled as a whole, and creating fucking beautiful loud rock music. they even wear shirts (obviously made by themselves) that are all different but made to be worn together onstage.
and no, i'm not even drunk
now excuse me while find out when they are touring next
check your local listings, because the dynamic they have onstage needs to be a model for the co-lab, and you need to see it. about 10 people on stage, switching instruments all the time, and when they don't have something to play they are going crazy banging on single drums, motorcycle helmets, other band members backs, etc. it's like chaos, everyone in their own world, but while remaining completely controlled as a whole, and creating fucking beautiful loud rock music. they even wear shirts (obviously made by themselves) that are all different but made to be worn together onstage.
and no, i'm not even drunk
now excuse me while find out when they are touring next
sms
SMS file 09/11/2008 10:39:57 pm
NV to AK>im listening to two old guys tear it up. This shit is more irish than shamus's lucky penny shwashbucklers
AK to NV>haha. and its not even friday nite 4 tht
NV to AK>xxxxx xxxxx. x xxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx xxx xx xxx xxx xxxxxx xxxx
AK to NV>Same here. we shud start co-lab
NV to AK> In.
AK to NV> expect a mail soon
NV to AK> deal. one of us needs to get a licensed asap
NV to AK>im listening to two old guys tear it up. This shit is more irish than shamus's lucky penny shwashbucklers
AK to NV>haha. and its not even friday nite 4 tht
NV to AK>xxxxx xxxxx. x xxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx xxx xx xxx xxx xxxxxx xxxx
AK to NV>Same here. we shud start co-lab
NV to AK> In.
AK to NV> expect a mail soon
NV to AK> deal. one of us needs to get a licensed asap
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